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@Michelle_Coe: Hey! Meeting time!
@Wade_Striebel: Who is !here?
While we wait, I will outlined my goals for meetings
@fwolf: I am.
Guess grocery shoppings gonna wait
@Wade_Striebel: I want to introduce the draft of the new Community Guidelines as well as a draft on the function and structure of the Community Team
I have taken quite a bit of time working specifically on the Community Guidelines, and I believe it does a good job balancing the requests for rules with the need to keep them more along the lines of “guidelines”
Along with these I have also started work on new Terms of Service and a Moderator Guideline - all of which will be public
The TOS will have the more detailed rules, and the Moderator Guidelines will be a document moderators will have to stick to when making decisions. These will also allow all users to see whether they believe a Moderator Guideline has been breached and that can be escalated up to the Community Team Lead
Anyways, here is the current draft of the Community Guidelines and Community Team Structure/Function: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E5_WPrxh20MDb-_ciEbenjDh90qyTqren8ZRDf1dsSc/edit?usp=sharing
Any feedback is welcome
@Michelle_Coe: personally, I’d reword the “Have (good, clean) fun!” area slightly, but I’d like a little time to look that over. Most of it, I agree with. Okay, reading on…
@fwolf: On a side note: Indirect links with “read here” and similar are not so nice, better use direct wording.
Also, it’d be nice to actually know how to achieve Trust Level 3 … or 4 …
@Michelle_Coe: The other suggestion I have has to do with readability for non-English speakers. “hawking” makes sense to me, but might not to someone who is not a native English speaker. Probably should run these by @norske and/or @Elisabetta_Carrara to get their impressions…
@Daniele_Scasciafratte is another good person to review
@Wade_Striebel: @fwolf, we have details on that already on the forums but we can link to them to explain
@fwolf: yeah, “hawking” is not the best wording. I’m groking the overall meaning of the word, but not its actual meaning per se.
Not being a native English speaker as such.
@Michelle_Coe: Otherwise, I like what you’ve got here. It’s not too long, but to me it seems pretty clear. When I give it a more thorough read, I may have some minor edits for grammar and/or rewording for clarity.
@fwolf: Guess its similar to this recent discussion about the “dont edit after this” wp-config comment thingy
@Wade_Striebel: Ya, we can reword things to make it more clear for everyone
@Code_Potent: @Code_Potent has joined the channel
@Michelle_Coe: Do you think we would benefit from a more direct treatment of some of these guidelines? I don’t expect us to give a list of “don’t”s — and actually I recommend against it because trolls will use that opportunity to work around those. What I’m talking about is a more specific explanation of the positive behavior we expect to see.
@norske: hawking is a physician - thart’s all I know
but in fact it’s well explained in context, so it’s not a problem
@Elisabetta_Carrara: I like the document, gone through it in a very fast way, here is dinner time. Overall I think it doesn’t need much rewording or too much explanation for it’s clear enough (apart for hawking :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:)
@Wade_Striebel: We could include more specific examples of “dos” especially in some areas (like the Be Yourself)
@Elisabetta_Carrara: And I would not by any means add complexity to it
@Wade_Striebel: I agree, I think Community Guidelines need to be just that, “guidelines”
@fwolf: “just be like the Habari community was - helpful and open-minded”
@Elisabetta_Carrara: …the dos I think we can list some,without overflowing. And couple of don’ts too in the be yourself section
@Michelle_Coe: I tend to come at this from the perspective — if we model good behavior by explaining a little more about what that looks like, it gives us something to point to when someone is clearly… NOT.
@norske: don’t mind foreingers too much, we can just translate it later)
@Elisabetta_Carrara: What is habari?
@Michelle_Coe: Positive reinforcement. Expect the best and you’ll often encourage people to strive toward it. Expect the worst and you’ll never be disappointed.
and I don’t know what habari is either LOL
@fwolf: @Elisabetta_Carrara a former effort to find an alternative to WordPress as blog software
@Elisabetta_Carrara: Why slack doesn’t integrate a Google
Inside? Found it. :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
(never heard of it…)
@Wade_Striebel: I do think we can use “dos” but I agree with @Elisabetta_Carrara we should put them below or somewhere else that we link to, not on the document itself (well it will be a page)
@fwolf: https://www.noupe.com/development/cms/habari-minimal-cms-for-more-than-light-weight-blogging-74625.html is a nice article about it.
Not so important what it was, more important is: its community was always there, helpful, forthcoming, open-minded
@Michelle_Coe: anyway… without getting too far off base here… I don’t want to make this doc too long, for sure. I was just throwing the suggestion out there.
@Elisabetta_Carrara: But however… Yes to make them worded so non en speakers are able to understand. It’s welcoming. (Here I disagree @norske. We need to show openness)
@Wade_Striebel: One comment on there that I would like some input on (not right now, but if you have some suggestions you can reach out privately), is regarding deletion of accounts
I think we need to be crystal clear on how users go about getting themselves removed and the rules on not deleting accounts
@Elisabetta_Carrara: @Wade_Striebel I may have a couple of thoughts about that. But I will put them in words tomorrow morning if it’s ok.
@Wade_Striebel: Rather, we have a built in tool to anonymize accounts that doesn’t destroy threads
@norske: If it pretends to be universal, it’my need to be a bit less informal
@Elisabetta_Carrara: Off for about 15/20 min. Prayer timing… I will read and catch up when I am back
@Wade_Striebel: I will need to loop @Tim_Kaye in while I work on the TOS as I also want to clarify what happens when someone posts links and comments then tries to claim we are using their trademarks without consent
@norske: I mean hawking etc. – informal speech sometimes is not definit in translation, it’s harder to predict the result of automatic translation etc
@Wade_Striebel: Anyways, I have to run now - have a meeting across town at 3. If anyone has suggestions or comments I am moving this convo over to the forums so we can continue there